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I, too, would love to attend!

Eric

> On May 13, 2021, at 1:16 PM, James Magowan <MAGOWAN at uk.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Samuel, 
> 
> I have spoken to Mike from containerd, He indicated that our Use Case meeting time is a bit early for many of the people working in containerd who might be interested. 
> 
> I wonder if we can have the meeting a little later next week to accomodate? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> James 
> 
> 
> 
> James Magowan
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> 
> 
> 
> From:        Samuel Ortiz <sameo at linux.intel.com> 
> To:        James Magowan <MAGOWAN at uk.ibm.com> 
> Cc:        Ariel Adam <aadam at redhat.com>, Peng Tao <bergwolf at antfin.com>, kata-dev <kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io> 
> Date:        12/05/2021 13:22 
> Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [kata-dev] Community use cases meeting (Confidential Computing) 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi James,
> 
> Do you confirm you'll be able to present tomorrow during our weekly
> meeting? If so I'll add you (or someone else on your side) to the
> agenda. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Cheers,
> Samuel.
> 
> On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 04:07:18PM +0000, James Magowan wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I mentioned at next meeting presenting the work and ideas which we have 
> > been trying out for s390x around the image pull challenges and future 
> > ideas.
> > With holidays in China for our main presenter and KubeCon next week I hope 
> > it will be OK for us to present this and some ideas for possible 
> > extensions to shim api etc the following week?
> > So Thursday 13th May.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > James Magowan
> > IBM Hyper Protect Containers (ZaaS Kubernetes)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From:   Samuel Ortiz <sameo at linux.intel.com>
> > To:     Ariel Adam <aadam at redhat.com>, kata-dev 
> > <kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io>
> > Cc:     Peng Tao <bergwolf at antfin.com>
> > Date:   29/04/2021 15:41
> > Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [kata-dev] Community use cases meeting
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks everyone for joining today's meeting, very interesting
> > discussions.
> > 
> > Please note that we decided to move to a weekly cadence, we have a lot
> > to talk about it seems.
> > 
> > Below you will find the meeting minutes, extracted from the rolling
> > meeting notes document [1]
> > 
> > * Current set of pull requests related to enablement (3 PRs)
> >   - How do we want to proceed with those PRs?
> >   - Samuel thinks that merging the TDX could help overall (a few more
> >     comments to request). The idea would be to rebase the 2 others on top 
> > of
> >     this one. Any objections?
> >   - We agree to merge the framework first and pile the other patches on 
> > top
> >     of it :-)
> > 
> > * Agent API - discussion on what API restrictions we need (build time 
> > option or not)
> >   - What is the risk of having this code in the image however just not 
> > used?
> >   - It could be a runtime configuration for the agent however still part 
> > of
> >     the image (inside the initrd)
> >   - We may have benefits from restricting the APIs (reducing attack 
> > surface)
> >   - Could we limit things to always getting all the pod configuration at
> >     once (and nothing else?)
> >   - So the idea would be to drop those APIs for all use cases
> > 
> > * Container image service offload
> >   - PEV raksh codebase -> 
> > https://github.com/IBM/raksh-agent/commit/14b52fae8c7bc3ce4b226703efdb37749ce84fe9  
> > 
> > 
> > * Testing for confidential computing - and general expectations
> >   - A big question regarding how to test the different platform so it’s
> >     something accessible upstream (SEV and TDX)
> >   - Intel will provide HW for testing as part of the kata CI
> >   - Can AMD also provide HW for the kata CI?
> >   - Sandeep pointed out they have the HW for this however the question is
> >     how to make the HW available for kata CI testing
> >   - What tests would we want to run in this case?
> >   - Samuel will pull Salvador to look into this
> >   - We may start by looking at the integration tests and later on E2E
> >     integration with k8s
> > 
> > * Action Items
> >   - Ariel to change the name of the meeting to confidential computing
> >   - Ariel to change the meeting cadence to a weekly one
> >   - Samuel to send a doodle to poll for meeting time changes
> > 
> > 
> > [1] 
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E3GLCzNgrcigUlgWAZYlgqNTdVwiMwCRTJ0QnJhLZGA/edit?usp=sharing  
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:23:23PM +0200, Samuel Ortiz wrote:
> > > All,
> > > 
> > > A friendly reminder that we will have our weekly use case meeting
> > > tomorrow (04/29) at 12:00 UTC. See you all tomorrow!
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Samuel.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 08:12:34PM +0300, Ariel Adam wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:25 PM James Magowan <MAGOWAN at uk.ibm.com> 
> > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi Ariel/Samuel,
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving Confidential computing Use Case meeting is fine for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Given recent fun with summer savings time and the dates/times in the
> > > > > thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can we clarify that meetings will be?
> > > > > every 2 weeks at 12:00 UTC
> > > > > 
> > https://zoom.us/j/98038141932  
> > 
> > > > > next meetings Thursday 29th April, Thursday 13th May etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I've moved the meeting 1 week forward to April the 29th and verified 
> > that
> > > > the only invitee is kata-dev mailing list.
> > > > 
> > > > The meeting will be at 12:00 UTC and happen every 2 weeks.
> > > > I will also make sure to send a reminder a day before the meeting 
> > (every 2
> > > > weeks).
> > > > 
> > > > Lastly, I'm reminding everyone that this time slot is mainly for the
> > > > confidential computing use case and the CI/CD and performance use 
> > cases
> > > > will be discussed at other times.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > > *Mobile:* 44-7808-247946 | *Phone:* 44-1962-817235
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From:        Ariel Adam <aadam at redhat.com>
> > > > > To:        Samuel Ortiz <sameo at linux.intel.com>, Eric Ernst <
> > > > > eric.g.ernst at gmail.com>, Peng Tao <bergwolf at antfin.com>, kata-dev <
> > > > > kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io>
> > > > > Date:        18/04/2021 18:42
> > > > > Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [kata-dev] Community use cases 
> > meeting
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you're leading the confidential computing use case which we 
> > agreed
> > > > > Thursday's time slot would be used for then to me that makes sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone object to moving the meeting by 1 week (as usual every 2 
> > weeks
> > > > > from there)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, a few people pointed out that they don't see the meeting or 
> > still
> > > > > see it every 2 weeks instead of 1 week. We basically sent an invite 
> > to the
> > > > > kata-dev for every 2 weeks so if anyone has a better idea on how to 
> > do that
> > > > > please let us know :-).
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 8:32 PM Samuel Ortiz 
> > <*sameo at linux.intel.com*
> > > > > <sameo at linux.intel.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ariel,
> > > > >
> > > > > Next week's meeting (04/21), I will be out of the office and won't 
> > be
> > > > > able to attend the meeting. Would anyone object if we shift that one 
> > to
> > > > > 04/28 instead ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Samuel.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 01:27:54PM +0300, Ariel Adam wrote:
> > > > > > Hi everyone.
> > > > > > Going back to this mail thread.
> > > > > > Talking with Samuel it will be hard for him to move the time slot 
> > for the
> > > > > > confidential computing use case (currently on Thursday every 2 
> > weeks 8AM
> > > > > > EST).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we suggest is the following:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    - *Confidential computing* - will keep the current timeslot, 
> > please
> > > > > ping
> > > > > >    Samuel directly if you would like to attend and this is a 
> > problem for
> > > > > you
> > > > > >    - *CI/CD use case* - in practice it's only RH and IBM cloud 
> > thus we
> > > > > will
> > > > > >    work mainly through mails (and ping me if you are also 
> > interested in
> > > > > this)
> > > > > >    - *Performance isolation* - Tao will work on a different time 
> > slot to
> > > > > >    fit people who would like to attend as well (such as Eric)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As pointed, we will ask to provide a status on the use cases 
> > progress
> > > > > > during the AC meetings if time permits.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Comments are welcomed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 5:08 PM Eric Ernst 
> > <*eric.g.ernst at gmail.com*
> > > > > <eric.g.ernst at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Makes sense to me, and I appreciate the change!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Ariel Adam <*aadam at redhat.com*
> > > > > <aadam at redhat.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Given that Tao agrees this makes sense I checked with Samuel as 
> > well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What we suggest is that each use case leads (Ariel, Samuel, Tao) 
> > will
> > > > > send
> > > > > > > a separate doodle poll for their use case.
> > > > > > > That way each of the use case teams can decide on a time that 
> > fits the
> > > > > > > majority of participants and also on the cadence of the meetings
> > > > > (every 1
> > > > > > > or 2 weeks).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We will also propose to give a short update on the progress of 
> > the
> > > > > > > different use cases on the weekly AC meeting (if time permits).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let us know if anyone has any objections before we send out the 
> > doodle
> > > > > > > polls.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:03 PM Peng Tao via kata-dev <
> > > > > > > *kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io* 
> > <kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Thanks for bringing it to the list Fabiano! I am interested in 
> > the
> > > > > > >> performance isolation use case and would love to see US folks 
> > present
> > > > > > >> their thoughts and ideas too. So I am all for it to split the 
> > use case
> > > > > > >> meeting and relocate to a time that works better for US folks.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > > > >> Tao
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On 2021/4/7 16:26, Fabiano Fidêncio wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Yesterday, Apr 6th, during the Architecture Committee 
> > meeting, we
> > > > > > >> > discussed the possibility of having the community use cases 
> > meeting
> > > > > > >> > split, and I assigned myself the action item to create a 
> > doodle and
> > > > > > >> > send an email.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Well, let me start saying that I may have failed in the 
> > doodle
> > > > > thing,
> > > > > > >> > but I still am dropping the email with what I heard as a 
> > feedback
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >> > what I would like to suggest.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I got the feedback, from more than one person, that the time 
> > for the
> > > > > > >> > community use cases meeting is not exactly optimal for 
> > everyone, and
> > > > > > >> > that is right.  For instance, it may be too early for folks 
> > in some
> > > > > > >> > parts of the US, while it is still too late for folks in 
> > Australia.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > With this in mind, I would like to ask whether there is the 
> > interest
> > > > > > >> > to split the meeting, allowing then the involved parts to 
> > talk to
> > > > > each
> > > > > > >> > other in a time that suits them best.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > So, this message is for everyone, but here I am explicitly 
> > looking
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >> > feedback from folks interested in:
> > > > > > >> > * K8S CI/CD pipeline with kata containers
> > > > > > >> >    - Here we have people interested from the US and 
> > Australia, so
> > > > > maybe
> > > > > > >> > a late meeting in the US time zone would benefit the folks in
> > > > > > >> > Australia.
> > > > > > >> > * Performance isolation
> > > > > > >> >    - Here we have people interested from the US and China, so 
> > maybe
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >> > late meeting in the US time zone would benefit the folks in 
> > China.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > If the parts involved in this have the interest to do so, let 
> > me
> > > > > know
> > > > > > >> > and then I will try to organise a doodle, set an official 
> > time, etc,
> > > > > > >> > etc, etc.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > We, as the community facilitating this communication, are 
> > here to
> > > > > > >> > facilitate the communication in a way that it will be 
> > beneficial for
> > > > > > >> > all the involved parts.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Best Regards,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Into something rich and strange.
> > > > > > >>
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