<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I, too, would love to attend!<div><br></div><div>Eric<br><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 13, 2021, at 1:16 PM, James Magowan <MAGOWAN@uk.ibm.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Hi Samuel,</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I have spoken
to Mike from containerd, He indicated that our Use Case meeting time is
a bit early for many of the people working in containerd who might be interested.</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I wonder if we
can have the meeting a little later next week to accomodate?</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Thanks,</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Samuel
Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com></span>
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</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Ariel
Adam <aadam@redhat.com>, Peng Tao <bergwolf@antfin.com>, kata-dev
<kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io></span>
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13:22</span>
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</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">[EXTERNAL]
Re: [kata-dev] Community use cases meeting (Confidential Computing)</span>
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<br><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">Hi James,<br>
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Do you confirm you'll be able to present tomorrow during our weekly<br>
meeting? If so I'll add you (or someone else on your side) to the<br>
agenda. Thanks in advance.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Samuel.<br>
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On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 04:07:18PM +0000, James Magowan wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> I mentioned at next meeting presenting the work and ideas which we
have <br>
> been trying out for s390x around the image pull challenges and future
<br>
> ideas.<br>
> With holidays in China for our main presenter and KubeCon next week
I hope <br>
> it will be OK for us to present this and some ideas for possible <br>
> extensions to shim api etc the following week?<br>
> So Thursday 13th May.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> James Magowan<br>
> IBM Hyper Protect Containers (ZaaS Kubernetes)<br>
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> <br>
> From: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com><br>
> To: Ariel Adam <aadam@redhat.com>, kata-dev <br>
> <kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io><br>
> Cc: Peng Tao <bergwolf@antfin.com><br>
> Date: 29/04/2021 15:41<br>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [kata-dev] Community
use cases meeting<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Thanks everyone for joining today's meeting, very interesting<br>
> discussions.<br>
> <br>
> Please note that we decided to move to a weekly cadence, we have a
lot<br>
> to talk about it seems.<br>
> <br>
> Below you will find the meeting minutes, extracted from the rolling<br>
> meeting notes document [1]<br>
> <br>
> * Current set of pull requests related to enablement (3 PRs)<br>
> - How do we want to proceed with those PRs?<br>
> - Samuel thinks that merging the TDX could help overall (a
few more<br>
> comments to request). The idea would be to rebase the
2 others on top <br>
> of<br>
> this one. Any objections?<br>
> - We agree to merge the framework first and pile the other
patches on <br>
> top<br>
> of it :-)<br>
> <br>
> * Agent API - discussion on what API restrictions we need (build time
<br>
> option or not)<br>
> - What is the risk of having this code in the image however
just not <br>
> used?<br>
> - It could be a runtime configuration for the agent however
still part <br>
> of<br>
> the image (inside the initrd)<br>
> - We may have benefits from restricting the APIs (reducing
attack <br>
> surface)<br>
> - Could we limit things to always getting all the pod configuration
at<br>
> once (and nothing else?)<br>
> - So the idea would be to drop those APIs for all use cases<br>
> <br>
> * Container image service offload<br>
> - PEV raksh codebase -> <br>
> </span></tt><a href="https://github.com/IBM/raksh-agent/commit/14b52fae8c7bc3ce4b226703efdb37749ce84fe9"><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">https://github.com/IBM/raksh-agent/commit/14b52fae8c7bc3ce4b226703efdb37749ce84fe9</span></tt></a><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">
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> <br>
> <br>
> * Testing for confidential computing - and general expectations<br>
> - A big question regarding how to test the different platform
so it’s<br>
> something accessible upstream (SEV and TDX)<br>
> - Intel will provide HW for testing as part of the kata CI<br>
> - Can AMD also provide HW for the kata CI?<br>
> - Sandeep pointed out they have the HW for this however the
question is<br>
> how to make the HW available for kata CI testing<br>
> - What tests would we want to run in this case?<br>
> - Samuel will pull Salvador to look into this<br>
> - We may start by looking at the integration tests and later
on E2E<br>
> integration with k8s<br>
> <br>
> * Action Items<br>
> - Ariel to change the name of the meeting to confidential computing<br>
> - Ariel to change the meeting cadence to a weekly one<br>
> - Samuel to send a doodle to poll for meeting time changes<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> [1] <br>
> </span></tt><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E3GLCzNgrcigUlgWAZYlgqNTdVwiMwCRTJ0QnJhLZGA/edit?usp=sharing"><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E3GLCzNgrcigUlgWAZYlgqNTdVwiMwCRTJ0QnJhLZGA/edit?usp=sharing</span></tt></a><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">
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> <br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:23:23PM +0200, Samuel Ortiz wrote:<br>
> > All,<br>
> > <br>
> > A friendly reminder that we will have our weekly use case meeting<br>
> > tomorrow (04/29) at 12:00 UTC. See you all tomorrow!<br>
> > <br>
> > Cheers,<br>
> > Samuel.<br>
> > <br>
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 08:12:34PM +0300, Ariel Adam wrote:<br>
> > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:25 PM James Magowan <MAGOWAN@uk.ibm.com>
<br>
> wrote:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > > Hi Ariel/Samuel,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Moving Confidential computing Use Case meeting is fine
for me.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Given recent fun with summer savings time and the dates/times
in the<br>
> > > > thread.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Can we clarify that meetings will be?<br>
> > > > every 2 weeks at 12:00 UTC<br>
> > > > <br>
> </span></tt><a href="https://zoom.us/j/98038141932"><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">https://zoom.us/j/98038141932</span></tt></a><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">
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> <br>
> > > > next meetings Thursday 29th April, Thursday 13th May
etc.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > I've moved the meeting 1 week forward to April the 29th
and verified <br>
> that<br>
> > > the only invitee is kata-dev mailing list.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > The meeting will be at 12:00 UTC and happen every 2 weeks.<br>
> > > I will also make sure to send a reminder a day before the
meeting <br>
> (every 2<br>
> > > weeks).<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Lastly, I'm reminding everyone that this time slot is mainly
for the<br>
> > > confidential computing use case and the CI/CD and performance
use <br>
> cases<br>
> > > will be discussed at other times.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Thanks.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Thanks,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > James<br>
> > > > *Mobile:* 44-7808-247946 | *Phone:* 44-1962-817235<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > *E-mail:* *MAGOWAN@uk.ibm.com* <MAGOWAN@uk.ibm.com><br>
> > > > Hursley Park<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Hursley, Hampshire SO212JN<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > United Kingdom<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Registered in England and Wales with number 741598<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth,
Hants. PO6 <br>
> 3AU<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > From: Ariel Adam <aadam@redhat.com><br>
> > > > To: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com>,
Eric Ernst <<br>
> > > > eric.g.ernst@gmail.com>, Peng Tao <bergwolf@antfin.com>,
kata-dev <<br>
> > > > kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io><br>
> > > > Date: 18/04/2021 18:42<br>
> > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
[kata-dev] Community use cases <br>
> meeting<br>
> > > > ------------------------------<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Since you're leading the confidential computing use
case which we <br>
> agreed<br>
> > > > Thursday's time slot would be used for then to me that
makes sense.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Does anyone object to moving the meeting by 1 week
(as usual every 2 <br>
> weeks<br>
> > > > from there)?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Also, a few people pointed out that they don't see
the meeting or <br>
> still<br>
> > > > see it every 2 weeks instead of 1 week. We basically
sent an invite <br>
> to the<br>
> > > > kata-dev for every 2 weeks so if anyone has a better
idea on how to <br>
> do that<br>
> > > > please let us know :-).<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Thanks.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 8:32 PM Samuel Ortiz <br>
> <*sameo@linux.intel.com*<br>
> > > > <sameo@linux.intel.com>> wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Ariel,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Next week's meeting (04/21), I will be out of the office
and won't <br>
> be<br>
> > > > able to attend the meeting. Would anyone object if
we shift that one <br>
> to<br>
> > > > 04/28 instead ?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Cheers,<br>
> > > > Samuel.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 01:27:54PM +0300, Ariel Adam
wrote:<br>
> > > > > Hi everyone.<br>
> > > > > Going back to this mail thread.<br>
> > > > > Talking with Samuel it will be hard for him to
move the time slot <br>
> for the<br>
> > > > > confidential computing use case (currently on
Thursday every 2 <br>
> weeks 8AM<br>
> > > > > EST).<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > What we suggest is the following:<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > - *Confidential computing* - will
keep the current timeslot, <br>
> please<br>
> > > > ping<br>
> > > > > Samuel directly if you would like
to attend and this is a <br>
> problem for<br>
> > > > you<br>
> > > > > - *CI/CD use case* - in practice
it's only RH and IBM cloud <br>
> thus we<br>
> > > > will<br>
> > > > > work mainly through mails (and ping
me if you are also <br>
> interested in<br>
> > > > this)<br>
> > > > > - *Performance isolation* - Tao will
work on a different time <br>
> slot to<br>
> > > > > fit people who would like to attend
as well (such as Eric)<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > As pointed, we will ask to provide a status on
the use cases <br>
> progress<br>
> > > > > during the AC meetings if time permits.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Comments are welcomed.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Thanks.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 5:08 PM Eric Ernst <br>
> <*eric.g.ernst@gmail.com*<br>
> > > > <eric.g.ernst@gmail.com>> wrote:<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Makes sense to me, and I appreciate the change!<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Eric<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > On Apr 7, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Ariel Adam <*aadam@redhat.com*<br>
> > > > <aadam@redhat.com>> wrote:<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Given that Tao agrees this makes sense I
checked with Samuel as <br>
> well.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > What we suggest is that each use case leads
(Ariel, Samuel, Tao) <br>
> will<br>
> > > > send<br>
> > > > > > a separate doodle poll for their use case.<br>
> > > > > > That way each of the use case teams can decide
on a time that <br>
> fits the<br>
> > > > > > majority of participants and also on the
cadence of the meetings<br>
> > > > (every 1<br>
> > > > > > or 2 weeks).<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > We will also propose to give a short update
on the progress of <br>
> the<br>
> > > > > > different use cases on the weekly AC meeting
(if time permits).<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Let us know if anyone has any objections
before we send out the <br>
> doodle<br>
> > > > > > polls.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Thanks.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:03 PM Peng Tao via
kata-dev <<br>
> > > > > > *kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io* <br>
> <kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io>><br>
> > > > wrote:<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > >> Thanks for bringing it to the list Fabiano!
I am interested in <br>
> the<br>
> > > > > >> performance isolation use case and would
love to see US folks <br>
> present<br>
> > > > > >> their thoughts and ideas too. So I am
all for it to split the <br>
> use case<br>
> > > > > >> meeting and relocate to a time that works
better for US folks.<br>
> > > > > >><br>
> > > > > >> Cheers,<br>
> > > > > >> Tao<br>
> > > > > >><br>
> > > > > >> On 2021/4/7 16:26, Fabiano Fidêncio wrote:<br>
> > > > > >> > Yesterday, Apr 6th, during the Architecture
Committee <br>
> meeting, we<br>
> > > > > >> > discussed the possibility of having
the community use cases <br>
> meeting<br>
> > > > > >> > split, and I assigned myself the
action item to create a <br>
> doodle and<br>
> > > > > >> > send an email.<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >> > Well, let me start saying that I
may have failed in the <br>
> doodle<br>
> > > > thing,<br>
> > > > > >> > but I still am dropping the email
with what I heard as a <br>
> feedback<br>
> > > > and<br>
> > > > > >> > what I would like to suggest.<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >> > I got the feedback, from more than
one person, that the time <br>
> for the<br>
> > > > > >> > community use cases meeting is not
exactly optimal for <br>
> everyone, and<br>
> > > > > >> > that is right. For instance,
it may be too early for folks <br>
> in some<br>
> > > > > >> > parts of the US, while it is still
too late for folks in <br>
> Australia.<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >> > With this in mind, I would like
to ask whether there is the <br>
> interest<br>
> > > > > >> > to split the meeting, allowing then
the involved parts to <br>
> talk to<br>
> > > > each<br>
> > > > > >> > other in a time that suits them
best.<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >> > So, this message is for everyone,
but here I am explicitly <br>
> looking<br>
> > > > for<br>
> > > > > >> > feedback from folks interested in:<br>
> > > > > >> > * K8S CI/CD pipeline with kata containers<br>
> > > > > >> > - Here we have people
interested from the US and <br>
> Australia, so<br>
> > > > maybe<br>
> > > > > >> > a late meeting in the US time zone
would benefit the folks in<br>
> > > > > >> > Australia.<br>
> > > > > >> > * Performance isolation<br>
> > > > > >> > - Here we have people
interested from the US and China, so <br>
> maybe<br>
> > > > a<br>
> > > > > >> > late meeting in the US time zone
would benefit the folks in <br>
> China.<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >> > If the parts involved in this have
the interest to do so, let <br>
> me<br>
> > > > know<br>
> > > > > >> > and then I will try to organise
a doodle, set an official <br>
> time, etc,<br>
> > > > > >> > etc, etc.<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >> > We, as the community facilitating
this communication, are <br>
> here to<br>
> > > > > >> > facilitate the communication in
a way that it will be <br>
> beneficial for<br>
> > > > > >> > all the involved parts.<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >> > Best Regards,<br>
> > > > > >> ><br>
> > > > > >><br>
> > > > > >> --<br>
> > > > > >> Into something rich and strange.<br>
> > > > > >><br>
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