Hi,
Following the discussions in the architecture committee meeting:
- I removed the 1.11 project
- I added a release 2.2 project, but did not populate it yet. Feel free to add features which you think belong to 2.2 https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/26
- I also added a Confidential Containers project. We discussed with Samuel about keeping track of what remains to be done, and I think this is one case where a "project" helps. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/27
- Finally, a tentatively named "What's going on" project, which at least in my view, would be the "hot stuff of the week", or a kind of "help wanted" board. This is the one where there is a lot of debate regarding whether it's useful or not, and how it should be organized. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/25
Let me know what you think.
-- Cheers, Christophe de Dinechin (IRC c3d)
Christophe,
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 6:37 PM Christophe de Dinechin dinechin@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
Following the discussions in the architecture committee meeting:
- I removed the 1.11 project
Thanks!
- I added a release 2.2 project, but did not populate it yet. Feel free to add features which you think belong to 2.2 https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/26
This is a good start. Now, I think we (as a community) should agree on what we think we can target for 2.2.0. One question about this one ... do you prefer having it as 2.2 so we can re-use it for 2.2.0, 2.2.1, 2.2.2, ...? Or would you prefer going for one board for each release (including patch releases)?
- I also added a Confidential Containers project. We discussed with Samuel about keeping track of what remains to be done, and I think this is one case where a "project" helps. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/27
This is super useful and I'd strongly recommend we do the same for every other "community use-cases" project.
- Finally, a tentatively named "What's going on" project, which at least in my view, would be the "hot stuff of the week", or a kind of "help wanted" board. This is the one where there is a lot of debate regarding whether it's useful or not, and how it should be organized. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/25
Let me know what you think.
Cool!
Thanks for taking the bullet and playing with the cards!
Now, what do you see as the next steps from this? Shall we get together and, as part of the next backlog scrub meeting, do a formal planning for 2.2.0? Or even a more generic question, how do you want to proceed in order to populate the first and the third board?
Best Regards,
On 2021-05-11 at 18:49 CEST, Fabiano Fidêncio wrote...
Christophe,
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 6:37 PM Christophe de Dinechin dinechin@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
Following the discussions in the architecture committee meeting:
- I removed the 1.11 project
Thanks!
- I added a release 2.2 project, but did not populate it yet. Feel free to add features which you think belong to 2.2 https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/26
This is a good start. Now, I think we (as a community) should agree on what we think we can target for 2.2.0. One question about this one ... do you prefer having it as 2.2 so we can re-use it for 2.2.0, 2.2.1, 2.2.2, ...? Or would you prefer going for one board for each release (including patch releases)?
- I also added a Confidential Containers project. We discussed with Samuel about keeping track of what remains to be done, and I think this is one case where a "project" helps. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/27
This is super useful and I'd strongly recommend we do the same for every other "community use-cases" project.
- Finally, a tentatively named "What's going on" project, which at least in my view, would be the "hot stuff of the week", or a kind of "help wanted" board. This is the one where there is a lot of debate regarding whether it's useful or not, and how it should be organized. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/25
Let me know what you think.
Cool!
Thanks for taking the bullet and playing with the cards!
Now, what do you see as the next steps from this? Shall we get together and, as part of the next backlog scrub meeting, do a formal planning for 2.2.0? Or even a more generic question, how do you want to proceed in order to populate the first and the third board?
Here is how I see it, but that is just a personal view, not even a recommendation:
- I would like to keep the "what is going on" as simple as possible. So what I would recommend is that we use it to put stuff we think is important. For example, if there is a CI failure, you can put the issue under "Urgent". If you have a review blocking a release, same thing. Conversely, if you want to help, you go there and you have a picture of how you can help. But I would try to keep that below ~10-20 cards. Then the herders / backlog scrubbers could populate this if it's a bit empty (which I am sure will happen all the time).
- For the 2.2 release, I think a possible approach would be to look at the issues we opened which we believe have good chances to happen soon. I plan to do that tomorrow for my own. Then we can spend a little time during the arch meeting debating the priorities, and possibly remove stuff that does not fit.
Again, just ideas.
Best Regards,
-- Cheers, Christophe de Dinechin (IRC c3d)
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 7:01 PM Christophe de Dinechin dinechin@redhat.com wrote:
On 2021-05-11 at 18:49 CEST, Fabiano Fidêncio wrote...
Christophe,
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 6:37 PM Christophe de Dinechin dinechin@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
Following the discussions in the architecture committee meeting:
- I removed the 1.11 project
Thanks!
- I added a release 2.2 project, but did not populate it yet. Feel free to add features which you think belong to 2.2 https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/26
This is a good start. Now, I think we (as a community) should agree on what we think we can target for 2.2.0. One question about this one ... do you prefer having it as 2.2 so we can re-use it for 2.2.0, 2.2.1, 2.2.2, ...? Or would you prefer going for one board for each release (including patch releases)?
- I also added a Confidential Containers project. We discussed with Samuel about keeping track of what remains to be done, and I think this is one case where a "project" helps. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/27
This is super useful and I'd strongly recommend we do the same for every other "community use-cases" project.
- Finally, a tentatively named "What's going on" project, which at least in my view, would be the "hot stuff of the week", or a kind of "help wanted" board. This is the one where there is a lot of debate regarding whether it's useful or not, and how it should be organized. https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/25
Let me know what you think.
Cool!
Thanks for taking the bullet and playing with the cards!
Now, what do you see as the next steps from this? Shall we get together and, as part of the next backlog scrub meeting, do a formal planning for 2.2.0? Or even a more generic question, how do you want to proceed in order to populate the first and the third board?
Here is how I see it, but that is just a personal view, not even a recommendation:
- I would like to keep the "what is going on" as simple as possible. So what I would recommend is that we use it to put stuff we think is important. For example, if there is a CI failure, you can put the issue under "Urgent". If you have a review blocking a release, same thing. Conversely, if you want to help, you go there and you have a picture of how you can help. But I would try to keep that below ~10-20 cards. Then the herders / backlog scrubbers could populate this if it's a bit empty (which I am sure will happen all the time).
+1, especially if we can keep it small and readable.
- For the 2.2 release, I think a possible approach would be to look at the issues we opened which we believe have good chances to happen soon. I plan to do that tomorrow for my own. Then we can spend a little time during the arch meeting debating the priorities, and possibly remove stuff that does not fit.
Ack, How do you think patch releases should be tracked? Related to this, I've dropped an email[0] about a proposed release cadence and a way to simplify what we maintain (at least till 3.x becomes a thing). I sincerely hope that can actually help us as well.
[0]: http://lists.katacontainers.io/pipermail/kata-dev/2021-May/001894.html
Best Regards,
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