[kata-dev] Community use cases meeting (Confidential Computing)
James Magowan
MAGOWAN at uk.ibm.com
Sat May 1 16:07:18 UTC 2021
Hi,
I mentioned at next meeting presenting the work and ideas which we have
been trying out for s390x around the image pull challenges and future
ideas.
With holidays in China for our main presenter and KubeCon next week I hope
it will be OK for us to present this and some ideas for possible
extensions to shim api etc the following week?
So Thursday 13th May.
Thanks
James Magowan
IBM Hyper Protect Containers (ZaaS Kubernetes)
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From: Samuel Ortiz <sameo at linux.intel.com>
To: Ariel Adam <aadam at redhat.com>, kata-dev
<kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io>
Cc: Peng Tao <bergwolf at antfin.com>
Date: 29/04/2021 15:41
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [kata-dev] Community use cases meeting
Thanks everyone for joining today's meeting, very interesting
discussions.
Please note that we decided to move to a weekly cadence, we have a lot
to talk about it seems.
Below you will find the meeting minutes, extracted from the rolling
meeting notes document [1]
* Current set of pull requests related to enablement (3 PRs)
- How do we want to proceed with those PRs?
- Samuel thinks that merging the TDX could help overall (a few more
comments to request). The idea would be to rebase the 2 others on top
of
this one. Any objections?
- We agree to merge the framework first and pile the other patches on
top
of it :-)
* Agent API - discussion on what API restrictions we need (build time
option or not)
- What is the risk of having this code in the image however just not
used?
- It could be a runtime configuration for the agent however still part
of
the image (inside the initrd)
- We may have benefits from restricting the APIs (reducing attack
surface)
- Could we limit things to always getting all the pod configuration at
once (and nothing else?)
- So the idea would be to drop those APIs for all use cases
* Container image service offload
- PEV raksh codebase ->
https://github.com/IBM/raksh-agent/commit/14b52fae8c7bc3ce4b226703efdb37749ce84fe9
* Testing for confidential computing - and general expectations
- A big question regarding how to test the different platform so it’s
something accessible upstream (SEV and TDX)
- Intel will provide HW for testing as part of the kata CI
- Can AMD also provide HW for the kata CI?
- Sandeep pointed out they have the HW for this however the question is
how to make the HW available for kata CI testing
- What tests would we want to run in this case?
- Samuel will pull Salvador to look into this
- We may start by looking at the integration tests and later on E2E
integration with k8s
* Action Items
- Ariel to change the name of the meeting to confidential computing
- Ariel to change the meeting cadence to a weekly one
- Samuel to send a doodle to poll for meeting time changes
[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E3GLCzNgrcigUlgWAZYlgqNTdVwiMwCRTJ0QnJhLZGA/edit?usp=sharing
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:23:23PM +0200, Samuel Ortiz wrote:
> All,
>
> A friendly reminder that we will have our weekly use case meeting
> tomorrow (04/29) at 12:00 UTC. See you all tomorrow!
>
> Cheers,
> Samuel.
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 08:12:34PM +0300, Ariel Adam wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:25 PM James Magowan <MAGOWAN at uk.ibm.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ariel/Samuel,
> > >
> > > Moving Confidential computing Use Case meeting is fine for me.
> > >
> > > Given recent fun with summer savings time and the dates/times in the
> > > thread.
> > >
> > > Can we clarify that meetings will be?
> > > every 2 weeks at 12:00 UTC
> > >
https://zoom.us/j/98038141932
> > > next meetings Thursday 29th April, Thursday 13th May etc.
> > >
> > >
> > I've moved the meeting 1 week forward to April the 29th and verified
that
> > the only invitee is kata-dev mailing list.
> >
> > The meeting will be at 12:00 UTC and happen every 2 weeks.
> > I will also make sure to send a reminder a day before the meeting
(every 2
> > weeks).
> >
> > Lastly, I'm reminding everyone that this time slot is mainly for the
> > confidential computing use case and the CI/CD and performance use
cases
> > will be discussed at other times.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > James
> > > *Mobile:* 44-7808-247946 | *Phone:* 44-1962-817235
> > >
> > > *E-mail:* *MAGOWAN at uk.ibm.com* <MAGOWAN at uk.ibm.com>
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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3AU
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Ariel Adam <aadam at redhat.com>
> > > To: Samuel Ortiz <sameo at linux.intel.com>, Eric Ernst <
> > > eric.g.ernst at gmail.com>, Peng Tao <bergwolf at antfin.com>, kata-dev <
> > > kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io>
> > > Date: 18/04/2021 18:42
> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [kata-dev] Community use cases
meeting
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since you're leading the confidential computing use case which we
agreed
> > > Thursday's time slot would be used for then to me that makes sense.
> > >
> > > Does anyone object to moving the meeting by 1 week (as usual every 2
weeks
> > > from there)?
> > >
> > > Also, a few people pointed out that they don't see the meeting or
still
> > > see it every 2 weeks instead of 1 week. We basically sent an invite
to the
> > > kata-dev for every 2 weeks so if anyone has a better idea on how to
do that
> > > please let us know :-).
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 8:32 PM Samuel Ortiz
<*sameo at linux.intel.com*
> > > <sameo at linux.intel.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ariel,
> > >
> > > Next week's meeting (04/21), I will be out of the office and won't
be
> > > able to attend the meeting. Would anyone object if we shift that one
to
> > > 04/28 instead ?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Samuel.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 01:27:54PM +0300, Ariel Adam wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone.
> > > > Going back to this mail thread.
> > > > Talking with Samuel it will be hard for him to move the time slot
for the
> > > > confidential computing use case (currently on Thursday every 2
weeks 8AM
> > > > EST).
> > > >
> > > > What we suggest is the following:
> > > >
> > > > - *Confidential computing* - will keep the current timeslot,
please
> > > ping
> > > > Samuel directly if you would like to attend and this is a
problem for
> > > you
> > > > - *CI/CD use case* - in practice it's only RH and IBM cloud
thus we
> > > will
> > > > work mainly through mails (and ping me if you are also
interested in
> > > this)
> > > > - *Performance isolation* - Tao will work on a different time
slot to
> > > > fit people who would like to attend as well (such as Eric)
> > > >
> > > > As pointed, we will ask to provide a status on the use cases
progress
> > > > during the AC meetings if time permits.
> > > >
> > > > Comments are welcomed.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 5:08 PM Eric Ernst
<*eric.g.ernst at gmail.com*
> > > <eric.g.ernst at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Makes sense to me, and I appreciate the change!
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 7, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Ariel Adam <*aadam at redhat.com*
> > > <aadam at redhat.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that Tao agrees this makes sense I checked with Samuel as
well.
> > > > >
> > > > > What we suggest is that each use case leads (Ariel, Samuel, Tao)
will
> > > send
> > > > > a separate doodle poll for their use case.
> > > > > That way each of the use case teams can decide on a time that
fits the
> > > > > majority of participants and also on the cadence of the meetings
> > > (every 1
> > > > > or 2 weeks).
> > > > >
> > > > > We will also propose to give a short update on the progress of
the
> > > > > different use cases on the weekly AC meeting (if time permits).
> > > > >
> > > > > Let us know if anyone has any objections before we send out the
doodle
> > > > > polls.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:03 PM Peng Tao via kata-dev <
> > > > > *kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io*
<kata-dev at lists.katacontainers.io>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Thanks for bringing it to the list Fabiano! I am interested in
the
> > > > >> performance isolation use case and would love to see US folks
present
> > > > >> their thoughts and ideas too. So I am all for it to split the
use case
> > > > >> meeting and relocate to a time that works better for US folks.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers,
> > > > >> Tao
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 2021/4/7 16:26, Fabiano Fidêncio wrote:
> > > > >> > Yesterday, Apr 6th, during the Architecture Committee
meeting, we
> > > > >> > discussed the possibility of having the community use cases
meeting
> > > > >> > split, and I assigned myself the action item to create a
doodle and
> > > > >> > send an email.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Well, let me start saying that I may have failed in the
doodle
> > > thing,
> > > > >> > but I still am dropping the email with what I heard as a
feedback
> > > and
> > > > >> > what I would like to suggest.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I got the feedback, from more than one person, that the time
for the
> > > > >> > community use cases meeting is not exactly optimal for
everyone, and
> > > > >> > that is right. For instance, it may be too early for folks
in some
> > > > >> > parts of the US, while it is still too late for folks in
Australia.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > With this in mind, I would like to ask whether there is the
interest
> > > > >> > to split the meeting, allowing then the involved parts to
talk to
> > > each
> > > > >> > other in a time that suits them best.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > So, this message is for everyone, but here I am explicitly
looking
> > > for
> > > > >> > feedback from folks interested in:
> > > > >> > * K8S CI/CD pipeline with kata containers
> > > > >> > - Here we have people interested from the US and
Australia, so
> > > maybe
> > > > >> > a late meeting in the US time zone would benefit the folks in
> > > > >> > Australia.
> > > > >> > * Performance isolation
> > > > >> > - Here we have people interested from the US and China, so
maybe
> > > a
> > > > >> > late meeting in the US time zone would benefit the folks in
China.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If the parts involved in this have the interest to do so, let
me
> > > know
> > > > >> > and then I will try to organise a doodle, set an official
time, etc,
> > > > >> > etc, etc.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > We, as the community facilitating this communication, are
here to
> > > > >> > facilitate the communication in a way that it will be
beneficial for
> > > > >> > all the involved parts.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Best Regards,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Into something rich and strange.
> > > > >>
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