Hi James,

Do you confirm you'll be able to present tomorrow during our weekly

meeting? If so I'll add you (or someone else on your side) to the

agenda. Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Samuel.

On Sat, May 01, 2021 at 04:07:18PM +0000, James Magowan wrote:

> Hi,

> 

> I mentioned at next meeting presenting the work and ideas which we
have 

> been trying out for s390x around the image pull challenges and future

> ideas.

> With holidays in China for our main presenter and KubeCon next week
I hope 

> it will be OK for us to present this and some ideas for possible 

> extensions to shim api etc the following week?

> So Thursday 13th May.

> 

> Thanks

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> James Magowan

> IBM Hyper Protect Containers (ZaaS Kubernetes)

> 

> 

> 

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> 

> From:   Samuel Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com>

> To:     Ariel Adam <aadam@redhat.com>, kata-dev 

> <kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io>

> Cc:     Peng Tao <bergwolf@antfin.com>

> Date:   29/04/2021 15:41

> Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [kata-dev] Community
use cases meeting

> 

> 

> 

> Thanks everyone for joining today's meeting, very interesting

> discussions.

> 

> Please note that we decided to move to a weekly cadence, we have a
lot

> to talk about it seems.

> 

> Below you will find the meeting minutes, extracted from the rolling

> meeting notes document [1]

> 

> * Current set of pull requests related to enablement (3 PRs)

>   - How do we want to proceed with those PRs?

>   - Samuel thinks that merging the TDX could help overall (a
few more

>     comments to request). The idea would be to rebase the
2 others on top 

> of

>     this one. Any objections?

>   - We agree to merge the framework first and pile the other
patches on 

> top

>     of it :-)

> 

> * Agent API - discussion on what API restrictions we need (build time

> option or not)

>   - What is the risk of having this code in the image however
just not 

> used?

>   - It could be a runtime configuration for the agent however
still part 

> of

>     the image (inside the initrd)

>   - We may have benefits from restricting the APIs (reducing
attack 

> surface)

>   - Could we limit things to always getting all the pod configuration
at

>     once (and nothing else?)

>   - So the idea would be to drop those APIs for all use cases

> 

> * Container image service offload

>   - PEV raksh codebase -> 

> 
https://github.com/IBM/raksh-agent/commit/14b52fae8c7bc3ce4b226703efdb37749ce84fe9

> 

> 

> * Testing for confidential computing - and general expectations

>   - A big question regarding how to test the different platform
so it’s

>     something accessible upstream (SEV and TDX)

>   - Intel will provide HW for testing as part of the kata CI

>   - Can AMD also provide HW for the kata CI?

>   - Sandeep pointed out they have the HW for this however the
question is

>     how to make the HW available for kata CI testing

>   - What tests would we want to run in this case?

>   - Samuel will pull Salvador to look into this

>   - We may start by looking at the integration tests and later
on E2E

>     integration with k8s

> 

> * Action Items

>   - Ariel to change the name of the meeting to confidential computing

>   - Ariel to change the meeting cadence to a weekly one

>   - Samuel to send a doodle to poll for meeting time changes

> 

> 

> [1] 

> 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E3GLCzNgrcigUlgWAZYlgqNTdVwiMwCRTJ0QnJhLZGA/edit?usp=sharing

> 

> 

> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:23:23PM +0200, Samuel Ortiz wrote:

> > All,

> > 

> > A friendly reminder that we will have our weekly use case meeting

> > tomorrow (04/29) at 12:00 UTC. See you all tomorrow!

> > 

> > Cheers,

> > Samuel.

> > 

> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 08:12:34PM +0300, Ariel Adam wrote:

> > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 2:25 PM James Magowan <MAGOWAN@uk.ibm.com>

> wrote:

> > > 

> > > > Hi Ariel/Samuel,

> > > >

> > > > Moving Confidential computing Use Case meeting is fine
for me.

> > > >

> > > > Given recent fun with summer savings time and the dates/times
in the

> > > > thread.

> > > >

> > > > Can we clarify that meetings will be?

> > > > every 2 weeks at 12:00 UTC

> > > > 

> 
https://zoom.us/j/98038141932

> 

> > > > next meetings Thursday 29th April, Thursday 13th May
etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > I've moved the meeting 1 week forward to April the 29th
and verified 

> that

> > > the only invitee is kata-dev mailing list.

> > > 

> > > The meeting will be at 12:00 UTC and happen every 2 weeks.

> > > I will also make sure to send a reminder a day before the
meeting 

> (every 2

> > > weeks).

> > > 

> > > Lastly, I'm reminding everyone that this time slot is mainly
for the

> > > confidential computing use case and the CI/CD and performance
use 

> cases

> > > will be discussed at other times.

> > > 

> > > Thanks.

> > > 

> > > 

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > James

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From:        Ariel Adam <aadam@redhat.com>

> > > > To:        Samuel Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com>,
Eric Ernst <

> > > > eric.g.ernst@gmail.com>, Peng Tao <bergwolf@antfin.com>,
kata-dev <

> > > > kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io>

> > > > Date:        18/04/2021 18:42

> > > > Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re:
[kata-dev] Community use cases 

> meeting

> > > > ------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Since you're leading the confidential computing use
case which we 

> agreed

> > > > Thursday's time slot would be used for then to me that
makes sense.

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone object to moving the meeting by 1 week
(as usual every 2 

> weeks

> > > > from there)?

> > > >

> > > > Also, a few people pointed out that they don't see
the meeting or 

> still

> > > > see it every 2 weeks instead of 1 week. We basically
sent an invite 

> to the

> > > > kata-dev for every 2 weeks so if anyone has a better
idea on how to 

> do that

> > > > please let us know :-).

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 8:32 PM Samuel Ortiz 

> <*sameo@linux.intel.com*

> > > > <sameo@linux.intel.com>> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ariel,

> > > >

> > > > Next week's meeting (04/21), I will be out of the office
and won't 

> be

> > > > able to attend the meeting. Would anyone object if
we shift that one 

> to

> > > > 04/28 instead ?

> > > >

> > > > Cheers,

> > > > Samuel.

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 01:27:54PM +0300, Ariel Adam
wrote:

> > > > > Hi everyone.

> > > > > Going back to this mail thread.

> > > > > Talking with Samuel it will be hard for him to
move the time slot 

> for the

> > > > > confidential computing use case (currently on
Thursday every 2 

> weeks 8AM

> > > > > EST).

> > > > >

> > > > > What we suggest is the following:

> > > > >

> > > > >    - *Confidential computing* - will
keep the current timeslot, 

> please

> > > > ping

> > > > >    Samuel directly if you would like
to attend and this is a 

> problem for

> > > > you

> > > > >    - *CI/CD use case* - in practice
it's only RH and IBM cloud 

> thus we

> > > > will

> > > > >    work mainly through mails (and ping
me if you are also 

> interested in

> > > > this)

> > > > >    - *Performance isolation* - Tao will
work on a different time 

> slot to

> > > > >    fit people who would like to attend
as well (such as Eric)

> > > > >

> > > > > As pointed, we will ask to provide a status on
the use cases 

> progress

> > > > > during the AC meetings if time permits.

> > > > >

> > > > > Comments are welcomed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 5:08 PM Eric Ernst 

> <*eric.g.ernst@gmail.com*

> > > > <eric.g.ernst@gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Makes sense to me, and I appreciate the change!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Eric

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Apr 7, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Ariel Adam <*aadam@redhat.com*

> > > > <aadam@redhat.com>> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Given that Tao agrees this makes sense I
checked with Samuel as 

> well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What we suggest is that each use case leads
(Ariel, Samuel, Tao) 

> will

> > > > send

> > > > > > a separate doodle poll for their use case.

> > > > > > That way each of the use case teams can decide
on a time that 

> fits the

> > > > > > majority of participants and also on the
cadence of the meetings

> > > > (every 1

> > > > > > or 2 weeks).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We will also propose to give a short update
on the progress of 

> the

> > > > > > different use cases on the weekly AC meeting
(if time permits).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us know if anyone has any objections
before we send out the 

> doodle

> > > > > > polls.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:03 PM Peng Tao via
kata-dev <

> > > > > > *kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io* 

> <kata-dev@lists.katacontainers.io>>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> Thanks for bringing it to the list Fabiano!
I am interested in 

> the

> > > > > >> performance isolation use case and would
love to see US folks 

> present

> > > > > >> their thoughts and ideas too. So I am
all for it to split the 

> use case

> > > > > >> meeting and relocate to a time that works
better for US folks.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Cheers,

> > > > > >> Tao

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On 2021/4/7 16:26, Fabiano Fidêncio wrote:

> > > > > >> > Yesterday, Apr 6th, during the Architecture
Committee 

> meeting, we

> > > > > >> > discussed the possibility of having
the community use cases 

> meeting

> > > > > >> > split, and I assigned myself the
action item to create a 

> doodle and

> > > > > >> > send an email.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Well, let me start saying that I
may have failed in the 

> doodle

> > > > thing,

> > > > > >> > but I still am dropping the email
with what I heard as a 

> feedback

> > > > and

> > > > > >> > what I would like to suggest.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > I got the feedback, from more than
one person, that the time 

> for the

> > > > > >> > community use cases meeting is not
exactly optimal for 

> everyone, and

> > > > > >> > that is right.  For instance,
it may be too early for folks 

> in some

> > > > > >> > parts of the US, while it is still
too late for folks in 

> Australia.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > With this in mind, I would like
to ask whether there is the 

> interest

> > > > > >> > to split the meeting, allowing then
the involved parts to 

> talk to

> > > > each

> > > > > >> > other in a time that suits them
best.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > So, this message is for everyone,
but here I am explicitly 

> looking

> > > > for

> > > > > >> > feedback from folks interested in:

> > > > > >> > * K8S CI/CD pipeline with kata containers

> > > > > >> >    - Here we have people
interested from the US and 

> Australia, so

> > > > maybe

> > > > > >> > a late meeting in the US time zone
would benefit the folks in

> > > > > >> > Australia.

> > > > > >> > * Performance isolation

> > > > > >> >    - Here we have people
interested from the US and China, so 

> maybe

> > > > a

> > > > > >> > late meeting in the US time zone
would benefit the folks in 

> China.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > If the parts involved in this have
the interest to do so, let 

> me

> > > > know

> > > > > >> > and then I will try to organise
a doodle, set an official 

> time, etc,

> > > > > >> > etc, etc.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > We, as the community facilitating
this communication, are 

> here to

> > > > > >> > facilitate the communication in
a way that it will be 

> beneficial for

> > > > > >> > all the involved parts.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Best Regards,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> --

> > > > > >> Into something rich and strange.

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