<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">[Resend from hopefully the correct address]<br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">On 4 Aug 2020, at 18:17, Hunt, James O <<a href="mailto:james.o.hunt@intel.com" class="">james.o.hunt@intel.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""># TL;DR<br class=""><br class="">Our issue backlog is huge. We intend to resolve this. If you'd like to get involved, please let us know!<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""># Background<br class=""><br class="">As discussed in the Architecture Committee meeting earlier today, we're planning to attack the issue backlog as it hasn't been reviewed holistically for... maybe ever!<br class=""><br class="">I've added details on the issues to the Kata Rota wiki page [1], so if you are on the rota it would be great if you could start looking at issues too.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Could you add me to the reviewer rota for EMEA?</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">We currently have 1,023 open issues [2], 922 of which don't have associated PRs (meaning they are _not_ "in progress") so we have a bit of work to do! ;-)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""># Work done so far<br class=""><br class="">1) Ariel and I have had a brainstorming session to come up with a simple plan for attacking the backlog.<br class=""><br class="">2) We've created a new GitHub project Kanban board [3] with the intention of using this to manage the issue backlog.<br class=""><br class="">3) We've written a simple CLI tool using hub [6] that can add issues to github projects.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""># The plan<br class=""><br class="">1) Make use of one of the GitHub actions [4][5] that can be used to auto-add newly opened issues from *all* the Kata repos into the new project.<br class=""><br class="">2) Run the hub script as a "one off" to add the existing open issues in all the repos into the new project.<br class=""><br class="">3) Hold a regular (probably weekly) meeting to review the backlog on the Kanban board [3].<br class=""><br class="">3.1) Consider re-enabling the stalebot [3.1] trigger [3.2] that used to auto-close issues that hadn't seen activity for a long time [3.3].<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Could we mark them with a "stale" label rather than auto-close?</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Often, really old stuff is still relevant. It takes a human reviewer to determine if it's for example a bug that nobody reproduced, in which case auto-close makes sense, or a feature that nobody implemented, but that we all see as useful, in which case auto-close is counter-productive.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">4) Start making better use of labels to allow us to categorise and data-mine the backlogs.<br class=""><br class="">For example, more intelligent handling of bug and feature issues for example, ensuring they are applied and also back-ported and forward-ported as appropriate. We actually have a YAML database that documents all our GitHub labels [7] along with some simple tooling to keep the list of labels across the repos in sync.<br class=""><br class="">4.1) We probably need to review the (rather large) list of labels and refine it slightly.<br class=""><br class="">Once we have a more refined set of labels, we should consider trying to make better use of them (for issues and PRs) particularly at the issue triage stage to categorise the issues.<br class=""><br class="">5) Report back to the Architecture Committee on progress and findings.<br class=""><br class="">6) Consider creating a Kanban board for the PR backlog to make that easier to manage too.<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Do you think it's possible to also move the original issue to a "PR" state?</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">7) Share what we've learnt with the community<br class=""><br class="">Explain the new Kanban process and best practises for labelling issues.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""># Feedback<br class=""><br class="">The task of actually reducing the issue backlog could take some time and we may need to modify our approach as we learn more.<br class=""><br class="">As always, if anyone has thoughts on the above, please let us know. We'll assume "silence means compliance"! :-)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""># Willing helpers (that means you!)<br class=""><br class="">If you'd like to get involved in any of the above (particularly the actual reviewing of issues), again, please let us know ;-)<br class=""></blockquote><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I will try to spend a bit more time on reviewing. These tools help.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class=""><br class="">James<br class=""><br class="">[1] - <a href="https://github.com/kata-containers/community/wiki/Review-Team-Rota" class="">https://github.com/kata-containers/community/wiki/Review-Team-Rota</a><br class="">[2] - <a href="https://github.com/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+org%3Akata-containers+" class="">https://github.com/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+org%3Akata-containers+</a><br class="">[3] - <a href="https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/23" class="">https://github.com/orgs/kata-containers/projects/23</a><br class="">[3.1] - <a href="https://github.com/apps/stale" class="">https://github.com/apps/stale</a><br class="">[3.2] - <a href="https://github.com/kata-containers/.github/blob/master/.github/stale.yml" class="">https://github.com/kata-containers/.github/blob/master/.github/stale.yml</a><br class="">[3.3] - Maybe; I'd like to think that we won't need to use such a feature if we can reduce the backlog down to a more manageable size.<br class="">[4] - <a href="https://github.com/marketplace/actions/assign-to-one-project" class="">https://github.com/marketplace/actions/assign-to-one-project</a><br class="">[5] - <a href="https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-project-automation" class="">https://github.com/marketplace/actions/github-project-automation</a><br class="">[6] - <a href="https://github.com/github/hub" class="">https://github.com/github/hub</a><br class="">[7] - <a href="https://github.com/kata-containers/tests/blob/master/cmd/github-labels/labels.yaml.in" class="">https://github.com/kata-containers/tests/blob/master/cmd/github-labels/labels.yaml.in</a><br class="">---<br class=""><a href="https://katacontainers.io/" class="">https://katacontainers.io/</a> | <a href="https://github.com/kata-containers" class="">https://github.com/kata-containers</a><br class="">Open Source Technology Center<br class="">Intel Corporation (UK) Ltd. - Co. 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